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Copper
May 23, 2010 20:10:30 GMT -5
Post by pioneer on May 23, 2010 20:10:30 GMT -5
I always have a white flasher, double aqua fly down......without fail. If it ain't broke... Run spoons, works well too.
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Copper
May 24, 2010 10:00:44 GMT -5
Post by ChampionShip on May 24, 2010 10:00:44 GMT -5
If I were you ... I'd get the devil dipsey's to work before jumping on the copper bandwagon ... Not to discourage you but there seems to be more "ISSUES" with copper then dipseys Just my 2 cents worth ... Agreed- 100%. Get the basics down pat first, theeeen worry about getting a copper backlashed a few, 12 times before you decide you don't like it.
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Copper
May 24, 2010 12:27:59 GMT -5
Post by mojorisin on May 24, 2010 12:27:59 GMT -5
I concur with SteveO and Champ. If you pee and moan about divers which are really easy to use, you'll scream bloody murder on the first "professional overrun" you get with copper.
Copper is a love/hate thing with me - a necessary evil to add fish to the box as a meat stick. Like long lead cores, copper is really no fun to fight fish on but it works and it works well. It requires MUCH more TLC than lead core. I have 5 copper rigs on my boat and break them out when I need to get deeper than 10 colors of lead. I take my time setting them out to be sure there are no overruns or line twists. My $0.02 for the little it is worth.
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Copper
May 24, 2010 12:30:18 GMT -5
Post by salmonkid on May 24, 2010 12:30:18 GMT -5
First things first I would learn to utlilize dipsies, they are a staple of salmon fishing and flat out catch fish. As far as copper line goes, as people have stated above the 30# is easier to work with typically runs 10-20ft shallower than its cousin the 45#. I would start out with one of each, typically I run mostly flasher/fly combos on both but Magnum spoons can be very effective as well.
Capt Matt tiggerIIcharters.com
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SteveO
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run meat .. run deep .. run in the light
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Copper
May 24, 2010 12:31:07 GMT -5
Post by SteveO on May 24, 2010 12:31:07 GMT -5
add fish to the box as a meat stick
oh never mind .... ;D ;D
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Copper
May 24, 2010 12:31:17 GMT -5
Post by Reel Fun on May 24, 2010 12:31:17 GMT -5
I added two 150' copper lines this year and they are okay too use. They also caught alot of fish already. You wont catch me with anything over a 6 color lead i think it is just too much to reel in thats why I decided to go to copper
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Copper
May 24, 2010 12:37:47 GMT -5
Post by hitnrun on May 24, 2010 12:37:47 GMT -5
Here's my .02. I just bought 2 spools of Copper for the first time. I turned a 300' copper into a 250' and it hasn't even seen the water. The stuff it kindda trick. Just another PITA IMHO!
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Copper
May 24, 2010 13:10:16 GMT -5
Post by mojorisin on May 24, 2010 13:10:16 GMT -5
Matt (or anyone else), have you tried using the newer super copper yet and if so, is it easier to work with than the current copper? I've seen the super copper in the store and it seems to be thinner in diameter which might make it easier to use. It would need to have less memory like the 19 strand stainless stuff does compared to 7 strand stainless.
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Copper
May 24, 2010 13:17:03 GMT -5
Post by littlebluelund on May 24, 2010 13:17:03 GMT -5
I had 500 Ft of leadcore out today, I was hopping copper would get the depth without having that much line out. Does copper run different than leadcore. I have the dipsy settings working now, I run one per side with no fouls, but I cannot get them things to fire to save my arse.... So far my riggers are what is catching fishing for me. I have taken a few on leadcore but not as many as riggers. I am also noticing now that since I shortened my rigger leads I havent missed a fish yet (knock on wood).
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Copper
May 24, 2010 13:32:09 GMT -5
Post by mojorisin on May 24, 2010 13:32:09 GMT -5
Like lead core, copper has a signature in the water and does have a rise and fall propensity to it. It does have a steeper drop though and that is why it needs to be closest to the boat when running copper and lead core off boards on the same side of the boat. Be careful on turns because the inside coppers can find the bottom very quick like.
45# copper will achieve greater depth than lead core and 30# copper. 30# copper does not get much deeper than lead core as others have noted.
When you say he had out 500' of lead core today, was that across multiple rods? If not, you have a 16 color setup if I'm understanding right. 300' of lead core is 100 yards which is 10 colors. 500' means you had close to 17 colors out. I'd run and hide in my head if I ever built a 16 color, deployed it, and it went off.
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Copper
May 24, 2010 13:34:24 GMT -5
Post by SteveO on May 24, 2010 13:34:24 GMT -5
And I'd hate to see what you would do Joe with a 100 colors ..
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Copper
May 24, 2010 13:37:20 GMT -5
Post by littlebluelund on May 24, 2010 13:37:20 GMT -5
My LOC said 500 but thinking about it the LOC had to be off that couldnt have been right... the full 10 colors was out plus the leader and some dracon backing......
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Copper
May 24, 2010 14:07:22 GMT -5
Post by mojorisin on May 24, 2010 14:07:22 GMT -5
For a terminology edification if anyone really cares, in terms of lead core, you are safe to simply express the number of colors out. With copper, one typically expresses it in feet with each setup being various amounts. For example, I have a 225, 250, and 300 of 45# copper. Linecounters are not very accurate as you get lower on the spool. When we mention to each other something like 100 LOC, we know 100 LOC will not be the same across 99% of the reels out there but we are talking about the first 100' off the reel. It is simply a guidance for many to get an idea how high (or deep) the fish are. Most importantly, it is for repeatability for ourselves. I guess I should admit that I recently bought a used Tekota with 15 colors on it. I plan to yank and reuse the lead and make it another copper reel. Although, the 15 color could come in handy with guests I don't really care for
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Copper
May 24, 2010 14:09:28 GMT -5
Post by pioneer on May 24, 2010 14:09:28 GMT -5
I have 2 600' rolls of super copper. It seems to be easier to work with. I will make up 2 100',200' and 300' setups for this year replacing my older setups. There are 2 kinds of super copper right now, the nickel coated like howies or the new stuff from Morgans tackle Co. Morgans has the 7 strand and the 19? strand stuff that is plated as well. I have the Howies. We will see how it works.
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Copper
May 24, 2010 14:53:43 GMT -5
Post by RedRider on May 24, 2010 14:53:43 GMT -5
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