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Post by TOsetter on May 9, 2010 0:32:07 GMT -5
Hi Guys- I'm fairly new to Salmon fishing and only started fishing out of my own boat last summer. I had a limited amount of gear, but that has expanded over the winter (don't tell my wife please:)....). Anyway; where last year I only had a 3 color and a 10 color, this year I've added a 2 color, 5 color and a 7 color. What I'm wondering is what I can get away with as far as deploying lines over other lead to the outside of my spread. If I want to run the 7 color out over the 10 color, is that going to be a problem? Any concerns with them getting tangled as I'm letting out the 7 color over the 10? I know lead core is very speed sensitive, so when you're letting out core, it's got to be sinking much faster than what's already out and being dragged....
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Post by rh149 on May 9, 2010 1:16:47 GMT -5
Since you only have a 7&10 clr why not run them off each side. If you want to run them on the same side , have the 10 clr on the inside. The 7clr will go over the 10clr when let straight off the back. Always run the deepest line next to the boat, and never copper & lead on the same side.
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Post by clam2 on May 9, 2010 1:20:56 GMT -5
With what you now have in your arsenal in the way of leadcore rigs, you will not have any trouble whatsoever with lines going over the top of other lines within the spread.....
For example, you might want to run your 10 color closest to the boat on one side, with the 7 color in the middle on that side followed by the 3 color on the outside.....
On the other side you might consider running the 5 color closest to that side of the boat followed by the 2 color in the middle and maybe a mono board line on the outside......
Another possible variation might be 10 color (inside), 5 color (middle) and then 2 color (outside) on one side, followed by 7 color (inside on other side of the boat) followed by 3 color (middle) followed by mono board line (outside).....
That would give you nice separation in terms of depth while covering many segments of the water columns to attack the fish.....
Remember that when deploying leadcore it is a good idea to make sure you keep just enough tension on the line after you hook the board to keep it from free-fall sinking any more than you have to when crossing over the other lines, while making sure you clear the other boards in the process.....
Nice job on putting together some decent lead core rigs! Hope that gives you a little positive confirmation on your selections and capabilities with them....
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Post by fishoil on May 9, 2010 9:30:04 GMT -5
When you have the 10 color out and are putting the 7 color in make sure you keep the boat moving straight to avoid tangles. Once you've attached the board and let it go straight back a ways, engage the reel. The increased speed of the board heading to the side and catching up will cause the 7 color lead to rise up and pass over the 10 even if you cut it a little close. I generally let the board go back farther than necessary and then reel up the extra line as the the board heads to the side to position it in the correct place.
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Post by mojorisin on May 9, 2010 10:40:42 GMT -5
I disagree with the comment of never having copper and lead on the same side. The key there is to have the copper closest to the boat and put the lead over the top and outside. Copper has a steeper drop rate which is why it needs to be closest to the boat regardless of the amount out.
When running multiple coppers per side, the one with the deepest drop (i.e copper weight + amount of line) needs to be closest to the boat. Let the outside coppers out under tension so the overall drop does nt occur until the line is deployed and the rod is set in place. Copper will pull over copper just fine too.
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Post by fishoil on May 9, 2010 13:17:00 GMT -5
I agree with Mojo on running copper and lead on the same side. If you can visualize the depths your baits will be running at, always put the deepest closest to the boat and the shallowest farthest out. Just keep in mind that the length of leadcore to get to a depth is greater than that of copper when sending out a copper if you're going to end up passing it across a leadcore that is closer to the boat.
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Post by TOsetter on May 9, 2010 21:44:29 GMT -5
Thanks guys; I appreciate the comments. I figured I'd be OK running any combination of my lead provided the deepest is inside, but it helps to have more experienced people confirm that. I certainly do understand the comments about keeping the boat straight when deploying. I'm always watching the line angles on other rods when deploying the lead, and it doesn't take much of a turn to really make a guy nervous with all that line out there.
One of the times I really get nervous is when clipping the board on. When deploying the lead, I'm confident I'm way over the top of the wire dipsy with the rod out the side of the boat, but to get the board clipped, you need to bring the line in to the boat, dragging that lead over the top of the riggers. I'm sure it's only a matter of time when a fish hits a rigger when I've got lead right over the top.....
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Post by fishoil on May 10, 2010 8:12:12 GMT -5
It gets interesting real quick when a rigger fires while you're clipping on the board, you learn how to reel in leadcore really fast.  What's happened more often to me though is having a fish hit the leadcore while it's in your hand when clipping on the board. I always smile and say that's what I like.....instant results!! ;D |
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Post by TOsetter on May 10, 2010 15:13:52 GMT -5
It gets interesting real quick when a rigger fires while you're clipping on the board, you learn how to reel in leadcore really fast. What's happened more often to me though is having a fish hit the leadcore while it's in your hand when clipping on the board. I always smile and say that's what I like.....instant results!! ;D I'm prepared for reeling in lead core really fast this year. I upgraded the Okuma Magda's for high speed Saltists...... Just a bit of an improvement:) I haven't had a fish hit a core while clipping the board on yet, but I've had one hit a wire diver while I was trying to put it in the holder. When the fish hit, there was only 25 feet of line out and I had just just turned the clicker on and loosened the drag to let it go out slowly in the holder. That was a surprise!!!! |
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Post by clam2 on May 10, 2010 15:20:20 GMT -5
Wow Tosetter ----- that is quite the upgrade going from entry level Okuma Magda reels to the top of the line Daiwa Saltists!!! Big time congrats!!!! Please let me know how you like the new reels after you have a few trips in!
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Post by Fish Slapper on May 10, 2010 15:20:41 GMT -5
I run both Lead and copper on the same side without any problems..
Slapper
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Post by TOsetter on May 10, 2010 15:25:57 GMT -5
Wow Tosetter ----- that is quite the upgrade going from entry level Okuma Magda reels to the top of the line Daiwa Saltists!!! Big time congrats!!!! Please let me know how you like the new reels after you have a few trips in! Yes; that is a big step up isn't it? Last year I was just starting out so it got pretty spendy. I bought some cheap reels to get me by with a plan to replace 2 a year until I had some decent stuff. I've kind of lost track with the plan as I bought 3 Saltists and a sealine LCX over the winter as well as upgrading to Penn 209's for the Riggers. I'm looking forward to seeing how nice those upgrades are! Again; don't tell the wife. Her mind is still on the original plan:)..... |
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