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Post by littlebluelund on May 24, 2010 11:55:51 GMT -5
It seems everytime the leadcore rod fires off, I am missing the fish. My hooks are sharp, the drag is set enough to let line out but not so loose that a fart in the boat would peel it. I cannot think of what the hell is going on. I missed three fish this morning. Any ideas?
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Post by slamminsalmon on May 24, 2010 12:03:37 GMT -5
We had 6 core bites yesterday. One ripped a little drag and stopped before we grabbed the rod. Maybe the fish take a whack at it and hook themselves on the outside of the mouth are something? After a a few seconds. it tears itself out?
Just a gues!
SLAMMIN SALMON
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Post by hitnrun on May 24, 2010 12:03:59 GMT -5
Too stiff of a rod, angle of rod is too high, stutty hooks on that bait. What type of rod are you running? What type of leader? I started putting Gamakatsu hooks on every spoon, and fly i have this year. I've only been out twice, but hook-ups have been great.
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Post by hitnrun on May 24, 2010 12:12:22 GMT -5
too short of mono leader will also make this happen. When I first started using core, I ran a 10 color out the chute with a 1 1/4 oz keel weight on the end. from the keel weight to the lure was only like 5-6'. Their wasn't enough give in that short piece of mono, and I seemed to have the hooks work out after fighting fish for a few minuets.
Are your problems just hook-ups, or after you're hooked-up?
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Post by mojorisin on May 24, 2010 12:21:32 GMT -5
I think my reply is going to be in line with slamminsalmon's. The hits were probably the small Coho that are around now and they'll flip and twist all over and many times get off, especially if they've hit mag spoons with trebles.
Given what you said in regard to your drags and using sharp hooks, I'm sure you'll be OK when the majority of fish hits come from Kings. Keep running the lead core because by the end of the season it will have caught more fish than any of your other presentations (with the possible exception of dipseys in your case ;D)
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Post by pioneer on May 24, 2010 13:05:29 GMT -5
I watched posts by Mojo for over a year before I had the guts to try it. It took some time before I felt comfortable letting out different segments with boards(deepest inside and so on) but it really works. Joe is kind of my master and I am a jedi knight in training. ;D Even though I have never met him, or any of the Port guys for that matter, they are responsible for more of my set-ups that catch more salmon then I am! Just had to say thanks. Chris
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Post by littlebluelund on May 24, 2010 13:10:55 GMT -5
The fish were off before the pole even got out of the holder..... I have about 20 ft of mono leader now. The hooks were good I was just guess the fishing were biting softly, but it seems that every coho boated this year had all three trebles in their mouth.... This morning was slow going, 1 for 4..... I did waste an hour by the green can. My first 20 minutes in my normal spring grounds in 125 FOW landed a nice coho.
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Post by mojorisin on May 24, 2010 13:18:22 GMT -5
Chris, thanks for the kind words, but I am just a weekend hack who learned from some real masters (like Red Rider). I have simply chose to pay forward the little I know.
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Post by mojorisin on May 24, 2010 13:23:55 GMT -5
LBL, after a hit on a board where you think it got off, do you reel them in to a) check the lure and b) be sure it really got off? I ask because the little Hos will take a foot or so of drag and make it appear there is no fish there. Sometimes, they are still there being dragged around (this can happen with even 3# Hos) and eventually tear free (especially Hos with their soft mouths).
Our first hit yesterday was exactly that. The board (4 colors) zipped for a second and then nothing. I figured a swing and a miss. I grabbed the rod and due to past experience, I could tell we were hanging one even though there was no pull on the other end. I handed it to my son to do the dirty work and he dragged in a small Coho which had no fight in it.
I make it a habit to retrieve all possible "drive bys" on boards just to be sure the lure is still there and not tangled.
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Post by littlebluelund on May 24, 2010 13:39:08 GMT -5
I dont run leadcore off a board, just flatline it off a 10' rod off the side of the boat. I always bring the lines in and recharge the lures after a strike.
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Post by BFG on May 24, 2010 14:07:54 GMT -5
Man..if a fish pulls off 4' of line on Joe's boards...chances are it got stuck 'cuz that guy runs his drags tighter than anyone I've ever seen on a salmon boat. I almost had a heart attack when I saw how far jacked over his rods get when a king rips his leadcore....LOL
On Erie we run 'em so light that if a white perch farts on a spoon it'll take off a foot or two. And yes...we check 'em every time this happens.
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Post by mojorisin on May 24, 2010 14:22:27 GMT -5
Now Clark, they are not that tight. I don't get break-offs (the line or my Ugly Stiks) and my catch ratio off boards is quite good. Seeing the rod jacked over like that makes it obvious which one has the fish. How many times have we heard one sing and looked at all the board rods on that side and said "which one is it?". Oh what a fun problem to have though...
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Post by RedRider on May 24, 2010 14:35:46 GMT -5
LBL, I would tighten the drag a touch seeing your not pulling it with a board. As long as your not using a pool cue stiffness rod you should be fine. You need a bit more resistance to drive the hook home as the bow of the core becomes taught.
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Post by clam2 on May 24, 2010 15:31:04 GMT -5
It does sound like you are getting short bites from smaller cohos, so I wouldnt worry too much about your hook up ratio at this time.....
When we get into some surface king action, that will change ---- as mentioned by Joe, Clark and Reid, try tightening the drags a little and basically let your rig set the hook on them....cant hurt to give it a try! You are always gonna have "cling-ons" dragging behind a board on some trips for various lengths of time --- hard to avoid! Just watch for a board that is pulling in a little more than normal and you may want to check that line for a smaller fish.....
Everyone is going to have some differences in the way they approach fishing the Big Pond......I tend to keep my drags very loose when I set up in the dark once the coho run has run it's course and the bow/king action from 0 to 50 feet starts the morning bite.....that's just me.....
I want to be able to immediately identify which rod is getting popped and looking at the reel doing the screaming (instead of the rod tip) helps make the transition to grabbing the rod and fighting the fish a little faster on my boat.....
As Clark said, Joe has a very good hook up ratio on board lines (lead core in particular) when he tightens his drags up.....
The main thing is that you are not going to get a good hook up on every lead core board line hit........especially cohos chasing a little peanut fly whipping behind a OO dodger.....the mag spoons and the larger trebles make for the same issue, so dont worry too much.......you are doing a good job getting them to strike!
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Post by littlebluelund on May 25, 2010 0:33:56 GMT -5
thanks for the encouragment clam. It's frustrating to hear gray beard on the radio and other guys talking about having 10 fish in the box and my box only has two. I guess with time comes experience comes more fish.
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